An Interview About Resource Stocks With The Team At Fundamental Research Corp.
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About Mr. Brian Tang
Prior to
Fundamental Research Corp., Brian was an analyst in the corporate banking group of one of the world's largest international banks where he performed fundamental analysis on Financial Post 500 companies (the Canadian equivalent of the Fortune 500). Prior to this, he worked at a financial advisory firm where he analyzed and published research on Canadian equity mutual funds. Brian also serves as VP Finance on a consulting basis for a local privately held design build construction firm.
Brian holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Business Administration (Finance with a minor in Economics) from Simon Fraser University. He also holds the Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) designation. Brian is a member of the CFA Institute (formerly the Association for Investment Management and Research) and CFA Vancouver (formerly the Vancouver Society of Financial Analysts).
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Me:
Mr. Tang, in the face of gold nearing its May 2006 high of $730/oz, what are your current views of gold and gold stocks in general? Do you have a favorite gold stock, if so what is it and why do you like it?ANSWER (Sid Rajeev, MBA, Analyst): We have been very bullish on gold prices since the beginning of 2006. Although prices have risen considerably in the past week, and are approaching their 2006 highs, we have maintained our positive outlook on gold due to the following macro economic conditions:
Gold is traditionally viewed as a capital preservation asset and regarded as a better hedge against the U.S. dollar, inflation and geopolitical risks, than any other commodity. Historically, gold prices have been negatively correlated to the U.S. dollar. The U.S. dollar is expected to depreciate with respect to other major global currencies, based on an expected slow down in the U.S. economy, and relatively lower real interest rates in the U.S., compared to other major countries in the world.
The U.S. housing industry is not expected to recover before mid-2008, and last week, the U.S. economy reported job losses for the first time in four years. Both these factors further signal a slowdown in the U.S. economy. The Federal Reserve is expected to cut interest rates by 25 to 50 basis points in the next two meetings, which will further reduce real interest rates in the U.S. All these factors suggest that the U.S. dollar will depreciate further going forward, which will help gold prices to stay high.
We have also noticed a positive correlation between gold and oil prices, in times of high oil prices. High oil prices create inflationary scares among investors and lead them to drift towards gold. Oil is currently at its 2007 highs, and prices are expected to stay above $60.00/bbl for the rest of the year and 2008, which we believe will also have a positive effect on the demand for gold.
Therefore, based on a forecasted depreciation in the U.S. dollar, higher inflationary scares, relatively lower U.S. real interest rates, and high oil prices, we are bullish on god prices. We do not expect prices to move up from current levels for the rest of the year, however, we expect prices to gradually move up, as the U.S. economy moves closer to a recession.
One of our favorite gold stocks is Grenville Gold Corp. (TSXV: GVG). It is a junior exploration company targeting gold projects in South America. The company expects to put three of their properties into production over the next four years. GVG is currently progressing the Silveria project in Peru, which is expected to be put into production in 2008. New management came on board in 2006, and we believe they have the capability to progress this junior exploration company into a gold producer. We believe the company is undervalued compared to its peers, and based on our DCF valuation on the company.(Note: that Fundamental Research Corp. has fee based coverage from Grenville Gold GVG).Me:
If possible can you please give us a summary on how you evaluate/quantify geopolitical risk, in light of Eldorado’s mine being forced to shutdown in Turkey and also the price volatility experienced by companies such as Aurelian resources that are exploring in Ecuador?ANSWER (by FRC Research Associate and Geologist Martha Buckwalter-Davis, BA (Geology): At Fundamental Research we have two ways of evaluating risk: qualitatively and quantitatively. We prepare a mining outlook for each country or province. This mining outlook considers the attractiveness of investment in the country and also identifies risks we see in the country. Ecuador is a very good example--they seem to desire mining investment in the resource sector but their mineral laws are very new and haven't been properly established or tested yet. The most important part of this mining outlook is risk assessment, but in the end it is an individual investor's decision whether he or she can tolerate such risk.
Quantitatively, the geopolitical risk is factored into the discount rate we use in our discounted cash flow valuation. Companies in riskier areas will receive a higher discount rate than more stable countries such as the United States and Canada. The risk is also factored into our recommendation. If we feel the political risk, or any other risk, is too great, we would consider making the company a hold or sell even if the economics are favorable.
Question 3:
I was wondering if you could please summarize in a few sentences, your views and outlook on base metals and base metal stocks in Canada.
ANSWER (Sid Rajeev, MBA, Analyst): We are not as bullish on base metals, as we are on gold and silver. Except Nickel, most other base metals have maintained their price levels based on expectations of strong demand from China and India.
Although a slowdown in the U.S. economy will offset global demand growth, we believe, demand growth from China and India will keep prices of base metals high in the next 18 months. Over the longer-term, we expect prices to soften, based on an expected slowdown in global GDP. To keep inflation under control, the Central Banks of most of major countries, including China and India, have raised interest rates. According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), global GDP growth is expected to decline to 4.9% in 2008, compared to 5.4% in 2006. We believe demand for most of the base metals will soften as global economic growth declines in the longer-term. However, we believe that global economic growth rate forecasts are high enough to support prices staying above their historic averages.
Since base metals prices are not expected to go up from current levels, but are expected to stay at current levels (which are quite high and would support many projects that would be uneconomic at lower prices), we advise investors not to invest in base metal stocks based only on speculation of increasing prices. Instead, investors should consider the investment’s risk-reward profile, and make sure that they have good projects and a strong management team.
Me:
If possible can you please highlight one sector among resource stocks (eg. it can be aluminum stocks, nickel stocks, steel, gold, silver etc.) that you believe to be overbought and due for a correction and one sector that you believe to be oversold and due for a bounce and why.ANSWER (Sid Rajeev, MBA, Analyst): We believe all metals are fairly priced at the moment though we believe gold will slowly appreciate going forward.
Me:
Lastly, if there was only one stock you could hold for the next 12 months what would it be and why?
ANSWER (Brian Tang, CFA, President and Analyst): If I could only hold one stock over the next twelve months it would be Cemex (NYSE: CX) – the world’s third largest cement producer. First, as a value investor, I see the stock as undervalued. The stock trades at about 9.21 times 2007 EPS. This is extremely cheap by almost any benchmark. It also has about a 3% yield based on 2007 expected dividends (as per Reuters), and a strong balance sheet.
Shares have fallen recently on weak U.S. jobs data as the U.S. accounts for 21% of revenues. However, the company also sells in Mexico, the U.K., Spain, and numerous other countries around the world. This gives it geographical diversification. Also, the cement industry, I would argue, is fairly insulated from the overall performance of the economy. The data I have looked at indicates that cement demand exceeds supply in the U.S. with the remainder having to be imported.
In terms of the housing slowdown in the U.S., about a quarter to a fifth of cement is used in housing. Therefore, CX’s exposure is about 4% of revenues. The other uses of cement are for public, industrial, and commercial uses. We believe a lot of demand will come from the use in highways and infrastructure. A few years ago, about $290 billion in expenditures was provided for the upgrade and construction of infrastructure (such as bridges) over 6 years. Recent bridge collapses around the U.S. highlight the growing need to upgrade infrastructure.
(Note: FRC holds Cemex in their corporate proprietary trading accounts)
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